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This article features a study that says the tendency to be monogamous vs. polyamorous may be genetic.

I would have preferred they use less judgemental language in describing polyamory (why couldn't they just say meadow moles prefer multiple partners?), but the core information in the article is IMHO interesting.

Date: 2004-07-18 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lysana.livejournal.com
I wonder how sociologists would react to my marriage, which is (a) childfree to date and (b) going strong after 17 years with one abortive attempt at polyamory about a dozen years ago and a successful second attempt begun two years back. By their estimates, we should have divorced by now. And I know a fair number of couples who've beat those figures, both monogamous and poly, children and no kids.

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Date: 2004-07-18 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottscidmore.livejournal.com
We've built up a lot of structures that exert control on our lives, moving us well out of the "natural state". Religion, economics beyond hunter/gatherer/collector, go on from there.

I suspect that polyamory, in the longer-term and/or every involved knows all about all the links, goes against the basic human programming as much as being monogamous or celibate does. Not that we can't chose to do so, it's just that I suspect both are likely to take more (much more?) effort than the patterns we evolved with.

Consider the zero kids thing. Until only a century ago no kids usually had a negative impact on whatever social organization the non-parent(s) were in. Go back 10K years or so, and not having kids might well mean that your entire tribe was hurt, and might die out. This would certainly be true if several couples dud so.

Zero kids is a non-reinforcing action, people who take that route tend to have their genes die out. Once human population levels got high enough, having too many kids also has a negative impact on longer term survival of your genes. It's a narrow path we tread...

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Date: 2004-07-19 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tibicina.livejournal.com
On Polyamory... possibly, except that a lot of the problems with it are sociological. There are certainly human societies that have been polyamorous in various ways... though some are more an expression of control/status by one sex or the others.

There are people who spend a lot of time pointing out that chimpanzees seem to be monogamous and are one of our closest cousins genetically. These same people tend to forget to point out that we're equally closely related to Bonobos who are almost all bi-sexual and polyamorous (or at least form long term, but not sexually monogamous bonds).

Which all goes to say that I don't know how monogamous or polyamorous a human with no societal programing would be, but I suspect that polyamory is a more likely option than true monogamy... though I suspect even that would vary by person.

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Date: 2004-07-19 06:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottscidmore.livejournal.com
Sort of what I was trying to say while avoiding falling asleep at the keyboard. There's good reason to believe that humans are not purely monogamous by nature, but neither are they (to quote the article) promiscuous by nature; they have primary relationships that persists for several years, and may or may not have secondary relationships that usually come and go.

Besides the apes you mention, gorillas are polygamous, if a male and female gorillas establish a mating relationship, the female usually leaves if the male doesn't add additional females soon enough. At the same time, the males do not appear to be particularly possessive.

I hadn't heard that chimpanzees are particularly monogamous, at least in terms of forming a life-long pair bound. Chimps are also know to have a fair amount of homosexual activity, although not as much as the bonobos.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/behavior/social.htm

All that lets one do is to say that our closest relatives do not have a common, shared approach to sexual arrangements.

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